He killed his best friend in cold blood for selfish reasons. Up till then I was with you, but he made a choice when he killed Abner.
Cold blood? That certainly was NOT in cold blood. The definition of “cold blooded” according to Google is “(cold-blooded) cold: without compunction or human feeling”. It was written all over his face that he felt guilty for even considering killing his friend from the moment he showed up. If it was cold-blooded murder he would have stabbed him as soon as he set eyes on him. The fact that he didn’t means that he obviously had a LOT of “human feeling” towards his friend.
He didn’t want to kill him, obviously. It broke him to do so (which was Metatron’s plan. A broken soldier is the best kind) but he didn’t want to just give up on everything he stood for, everything he wanted and believed was right (restoring Heaven), especially not after all he’d already done. It’s a common theme in fiction, the whole “if I give up now the others will have died for nothing” thing.
Not to mention that it’s the only thing he wants. Gadreel will never be happy again until he is redeemed. He can’t live the life that Abner has chosen, he can’t just replace his family with another one. He loves the one he has too much for that. Then Abner tells him that "The key to happiness is getting the one thing you want most and never letting it go" and "There’s always a price. But it’s worth paying." Which is all the encouragement Gadreel needs that what he’s doing is right.
Also if you’re going to hate Gadreel for murdering a friend for selfish reasons I hope you also hate Lucifer for killing his brother Gabriel, Castiel for killing Balthazar, etc.
I don’t hate Gadreel at all, but I think he’s going to be a tough sell as a misunderstood innocent after this episode (9x10), which is where I saw him before this.
The definition of ‘in cold blood’ is to murder deliberately or in a premeditated fashion. Gadreel sat in Abner’s living room, talked with him and made a conscious decision to kill him in order to further his own agenda. That’s 1st degree murder in the US due to his conscious decision to kill, as opposed to a spontaneous murder.
Do I think Gadreel had conflict in his heart over murdering other angels? Absolutely — and kudos to Jared for playing him so well. But he made the DECISION to kill each one. And with Abner, he chose to murder someone who had only ever shown him kindness for his own personal gain — his place in Heaven. That, to me, is the definition of evil.
It’s been a tragic thing to me, watching a ‘good’ character make decisions that take him down a bad road, just like it was with Cas in season 6.
“Also if you’re going to hate Gadreel for murdering a friend for selfish reasons I hope you also hate Lucifer for killing his brother Gabriel, Castiel for killing Balthazar, etc.”
Lucifer — the embodiment of evil in the series.
Cas — killed Balthazar as the other angel was attempting to stab him. (Killed the other angels while under the influence of the Leviathans. Has admitted himself that he did horrible things and has attempted to repent them in various ways.)
I will be the first to say that Gadreel makes terrible life choices. But looking at it from his point of view, it’s his only choice. And yes, it is tragic to watch him go down that path, because that path is dark and it isn’t leading him anywhere good. But the important thing to remember is he never chose that path. Metatron lured him down it, opening it up as the only safe path he could take. If another good path were opened up to him I’m sure he’d jump at the chance to get off the one he’s on. He hates killing these people, that much is obvious. But he believes he has no other choice.
Balthazar wasn’t going to stab Castiel, not literally at least. All Balthazar did was tell the Winchesters where he was, which he did for Castiel’s sake because he knew what he was doing was wrong. Balthazar was acting as a friend, he’s always had Cas’ best interests in mind. Castiel didn’t need to kill him, it’s not like he attacked him or anything. He could have just as easily locked him up somewhere until he was done his ritual, Balthazar would never have actually hurt him.
And why is that reason any better than Gadreel’s? The only difference is that for Gadreel, the instigation was not from Abner himself. But neither Abner nor Balthazar did anything to deserve death. But because both believed that their goals were just, and something that they absolutely needed to do, they decided that the collateral damage was worth it. They probably both saw it as a selfless act too, in a way. They gave up someone they loved, a friend, for their cause.
Also may I remind you that one of Castiel’s “ways to repent” was taking orders from Metatron? They’ve both been led astray, and they’ve both killed for Metatron.
And that’s another thing, why can characters like Lucifer and Crowley kill whoever they want and everyone loves them, Crowley’s even bordering on redemption for most of the fans, but Gadreel kills three people and suddenly he’s unredeemable?
You are 100% right on Balthazar’s death. That’s what I get for posting without double-checking my facts. Sorry about that. And you’re right about Cas there, too. He killed his friend for selfish reasons and he wasn’t under the influence of anything but pride and arrogance at the time.
I can also see your point on Gadreel’s point of view. He DOES have other options than trusting Metatron. He could do what Abner did and find a nice life, which I think was what Abner was trying to say, But Gadreel wants to get back into Heaven and he’s choosing to do things he feels are wrong to get it.
I could be reading more into it than I should, but it feels like Gadreel is even more innocent than Cas was when we first met him. He’s been in lockup since the dawn of time, so he hasn’t had the interactions with humans or dealt with the post-Apocalypse and he feels like he’s not as cynical as the other angels, I guess? More trusting of someone he sees as a superior? I don’t know. Here’s hoping he doesn’t just become a cardboard bad-guy trope though. He’s way too interesting for that.
And thanks for the discussion. I don’t get to talk SPN very often and this has been fun for me. :)Source: kiterious